the Great iPad debate

02Jun10

Jabber IM with Rohan Punamia
6/1/10Rohan Punamia
hey
11:28 PMRahul Krishnakumar
sup
Rohan Punamia
do u knwo the diffrence between blu-ray and HD?
11:29 PM
I never found out yet..
u know?
11:30 PMRahul Krishnakumar
uhhh
not really
Rohan Punamia
hmm
Rahul Krishnakumar
i just watch movies online
so the quality has never been a “huge” thing for me
Rohan Punamia
lol
11:31 PM
as long as its free xD
we are trying to see whether it is worth buying a ps3
Rahul Krishnakumar
I just think the idea of watching things by the disc is over
11:35 PM
its about streaming in my opinion
11:36 PMRohan Punamia
very true
but a ps3 can stream from netflix
which is a big +
Rahul Krishnakumar
…Xbox was there first
Rohan Punamia
stream blue ray
who cares, xbox formats are inferior to ps3
Rahul Krishnakumar
Xbox is the only one that doesn’t require a disc inside to do it
and uhm Netflix CEO sits on the board of Microsoft
Rohan Punamia
i could care less whose first, i just want the better expierence
Rahul Krishnakumar
if they aren’t in bed, he’s definitely not in Sony’s
11:37 PM
and Hulu is reportedly coming to Xbox
Rohan Punamia
then it will also come to ps3 most likley
Rahul Krishnakumar
best hope so
11:38 PMRohan Punamia
not to mention ipad fosho and we will be bying the 2nd gen one in a year
Rahul Krishnakumar
buying first gen in days
Rohan Punamia
u aare?
Rahul Krishnakumar
reserved
waiting now
Rohan Punamia
why?
what do you want it for
Rahul Krishnakumar
we don’t own netbooks in our house
Rohan Punamia
other than its typical sexy appeal i see no practical use for it
11:39 PMRahul Krishnakumar
its our netbook replacement
Rohan Punamia
laptop or iphone
no need for inbetween
Rahul Krishnakumar
then why would you ever buy an iPad
Rohan Punamia
well
Rahul Krishnakumar
at least 2nd gen…
because you want a camera?
I want battery life
Rohan Punamia
we are gonna wait till it gets some extra features
and more battery
Rahul Krishnakumar
and the next iPhone will do that for me
Rohan Punamia
bbut
we will iuse ipad 2 for high quality video
11:40 PM
most likley, it will be 720 or even 1080p
and we are gonna buy a mount and put it on the back seat of our car
making sure it is removable
so on road trips we got ourselves a killer dvd system, we also have half a netbook, a camera, and a whole other bundle of features
11:41 PM
biggest turn off for this ipad is that it is only 420p
Rahul Krishnakumar
yeah
thats not what im doing
definitely not what im doing
Rohan Punamia
what will you be doing?
Rahul Krishnakumar
im consuming
i want to read and get work done
Rohan Punamia
tellme how it taste -_-
read
lol
gluck with that
11:42 PMRahul Krishnakumar
i only have a laptop because i have to code
other than that
i just need my safari, iTunes, and iChat
i dont even type documents anymore
my English GE is over
Rohan Punamia
you can’t study from an ipad, or read a good book for more than 2 hours
Rahul Krishnakumar
i don’t even study from my laptop
Rohan Punamia
and idk what “work” you can do on an ipad
u study from a book
ipad is no replacement for books or kindles
11:43 PM
yet..
Rahul Krishnakumar
i reiterate once more
im not working on my laptop anyways
i only use it to code
Rohan Punamia
k
Rahul Krishnakumar
Terminal -> Code
Rohan Punamia
understandable
Rahul Krishnakumar
other than its Safari for tech news, facebook
Rohan Punamia
no gaming at all?
Rahul Krishnakumar
and iChat for these conversations
I’m not a heavy gamer. I have the SC2 beta but I’ve played maybe 4 games total.
11:44 PM
I actually find the small arcade games to be more addicting
Rohan Punamia
well still, i find a laptop to be a better internet experiencethan ipad
11:45 PMRahul Krishnakumar
because you love your Flash <3
Rohan Punamia
and no video chat
yes somewhat, i do
and no hulu
so i knwo u love ur flash AS of RIGHT NOW
11:46 PMRahul Krishnakumar
I don't want video chat though. I already see how much it affects my MacBook's "7 hour battery"
Rohan Punamia
lol
Rahul Krishnakumar
and uhm Hulu's become a shit show after allowing people to only watch the last 5-6 episodes of every TV show
and I use this for Flash: http://clicktoflash.com/
tasty stuff
11:47 PM
you can build the greatest battery in the world, like the 10 hour one in the new MacBook's, but video chat will find a way to slay it. It demands too much power.
11:48 PMRohan Punamia
so
Rahul Krishnakumar
playing the waiting game to see how long before Hulu charges to use it.
Rohan Punamia
charging isnt a life or death situation
lol, it will stay free
their add system is improving greatly already
Rahul Krishnakumar
uhm for a "mobile" device it's rather life or death
and that's to argue your point above of "and more battery" as a feature you wanted.
11:49 PMRohan Punamia
anyway..
u wont be able to chat/long email with the touch keyboard
11:50 PM
no hdmi out either
Rahul Krishnakumar
1. Have you seen your iPhone typing skills? Are they still the same way as you did it the first day. Mine sure aren't.
2. Long emails? I hate reading long emails, so why would I send long emails.
11:51 PM
no point typing shit when people are only going to try to "skim" it
Rohan Punamia
typing is still gonna be a pain in the ass for good sized conversations like this one
11:52 PM
althouhg my typing on iphone has improved, i'd prefer real full sized keyboard ANYDAY
Rahul Krishnakumar
I get every counterpoint you're making because they're not unique. They're actually the exact same ones that people have been trying to make since January 27th.
I'm pretty sure the iPad keyboard is near full size. You're missing the tactile response, which will take years to come onto a touch screen.
11:53 PMRohan Punamia
its not worth spending so much time getting use to
Rahul Krishnakumar
all I'm going to say is…
2 million sold
250K a week selling
11:54 PM
one every 3 seconds
Rohan Punamia
second gen one will be better, cheeper, and faster
Rahul Krishnakumar
take Economics and tell me how the cheaper part works out, or ask your brother actually. Supply v. Demand will help you out.
Rohan Punamia
as long as it will do its job without breaking down, idc if they put plastic in there
11:55 PM
they will make sure it maintains a good quaility rep
11:56 PMRahul Krishnakumar
because after looking at the new iPhone's we see Plastic in Apple's future right?
Rohan Punamia
and its pretty heavy to hold in ur hand fora long time
Rahul Krishnakumar
cheaper part was meant tell me how you think it'll become cheaper
when every model at Stoneridge is sold out
11:57 PM
and has a waiting list
why on Earth will they drop prices?
to get more people on waiting lists
this is where your Econ 101 could help you out
Rohan Punamia
apple specifically said there next model will be cheeper
Rahul Krishnakumar
link please?
Rohan Punamia
i cant find one dirrectly from apple
11:58 PM
but here is one that serves a good enuff purpose
Rahul Krishnakumar
the only time Apple said they'd lower is
11:59 PMRohan Punamia

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/why-not-to-buy-an-ipad-ph_n_523619.html#s78236

Rahul Krishnakumar
if people weren't buying them
Rohan Punamia
eventually the hype will vanish
Rahul Krishnakumar
If you want the iPad, you'll have to shell out anywhere from $499 to $829–in other words, it's more expensive than many netbooks, which offer full web browsing, multitasking, and more.

Rohan Punamia
and they will lwoer prices

6/2/10Rohan Punamia
exactly
12:00 AMRahul Krishnakumar
Are you kidding me?!
that doesn't say anything about price going down
Rohan Punamia
when they enable all these competing features, camera, multi tasking, hd screen limited flash, they have to lower price to compete with netbooks
Rahul Krishnakumar
that just says its not worth buying in comparison to a shit feature
netbook
Rohan Punamia
"Many predict that Apple's second-generation iPad is http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36099232/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets?pg=8#Tech_NotBuyiPad – 'sure to be better, cheaper, faster.' There's even been http://theappleblog.com/2010/02/02/rumor-has-it-the-ipad-camera/ – speculation that the next iPad will include a camera."
12:01 AMRahul Krishnakumar
dude I don't know what planet you live on…
Rohan Punamia
that planet
Rahul Krishnakumar
Flash on the iPad/
are you serialz?
Rohan Punamia
by limited
Rahul Krishnakumar
I can see camera
Rohan Punamia
i mean hulu
Rahul Krishnakumar
I can see multitasking
Rohan Punamia
espn
and things like that
Rahul Krishnakumar
I can see a better screen
but Flash
Rohan Punamia
populat flash uses
not REAL flash tho
which is uneccesary
just popular apps
12:02 AM
and this is the first product of this nature from apple
Rahul Krishnakumar

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-live-from-d8/

Rohan Punamia
as soon as number 2 is released, there will be a lil less hype and they will lower prices.
Rahul Krishnakumar
I'm going to publish this whole conversation on my blog
for lulz
just to see where it is a year from now
12:03 AMRohan Punamia
be my guest….lol
Mark my words
Ipad 2nd gen WILL be cheaper
Rahul Krishnakumar
6:33PM Walt: And what… we'll move on to the next thing you don't want to talk about. What if the market says 'hey it's important enough to us…' there's some great stuff out there in Flash. What if the market says it wants it? What if people say the iPad is crippled?

6:34PM Steve: Well things are packages. Some things are good in a product, some things are bad. If the market tells us we're making bad choices, we'll make changes. We're just trying to make great products. We don't think this is great and we're going to leave it out. We're going to take the heat because we want to make the best product in the world for customers!

I can't guarantee that, but I can guarantee you're Flash bullshit won't be there. Adobe first made something called Flash Lite and Jobs HATED it
12:04 AM
and he hates full blown Flash on mobile devices
if you don't make him what he wants, he's not going to do it, and seeing as Adobe has stopped working on Flash for iPhone and focusing on Android, good luck with your logic.
7:12PM Walt: So you made iWork for the iPad. Do you see things that the iPad can't do?

Steve: Well, you can imagine all sorts of things for the iPad. Video editing, content creation…

Walt: Does it require a faster processor?

Steve: Well time has a way of working these things out.

12:05 AMRohan Punamia
my logic is that the majority of VERY POPULAR flash based websites are working on an app for iphone
Rahul Krishnakumar
if the Camera coming wasn't obvious enough before here it is now
Rohan Punamia
so that is what i mean by "limited flash"
12:06 AMRahul Krishnakumar
and they're not working because of Flash, that's where you sound stupid
they're working because of re-encoding the video to h.264
or else Apple's not budging
Rohan Punamia
bottum line: eventually hulu will be on the app store soon, and following it will be other famous flash based websites
12:07 AMRahul Krishnakumar
that makes sense, and even a 12 year old could tell you that…
12:08 AM
that's not the same as Flash coming to the iDevices…
Rohan Punamia
well hulu is a big chunk of the "flash" argument
12:09 AMRahul Krishnakumar
if Hulu comes to the iPad, its not coming in Flash.
12:10 AM
thus Flash loses another customer, something they're already crying about
Rohan Punamia
but it will replace flash
Rahul Krishnakumar
once again… no shit
Rohan Punamia
my point
idc about flash
12:11 AM
i care about what is currently using flash to somehow get on the idevices, even if that means reformatting
Rahul Krishnakumar
Dude, I know what you're saying. Just don't sound like a tool when you say it.
people will just laugh at your for saying Hulu on the iDevices means Flash has come
its re-encoding to h.264
12:12 AM
I'm helping you understand that no one cares about the formats except execs at each company
for people it has always been about getting their content whenever and wherever
12:13 AMRohan Punamia
i knwo that
You misinterperated what i said
ight i g2g
finish this talk l8ter
Rahul Krishnakumar
you said shit wrong
I'd love a Part 2 to post to the blog
Rohan Punamia
good
you will get one soon
Rahul Krishnakumar
lates
Rohan Punamia
c ya

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